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Blog: July 2010 • Colin Hambrook

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This month Colin Hambrook interviews Dada-Exchange Artist Advisor Michelle Chorley

As part of my series of in-depth features with artist advisors on the Dada-Exchange programme, I interviewed Dada-Exchange newcomer, Michelle Chorley.

Like many of the other artist-advisors she talks about the programme as a journey - not only for the artists she is working with but for herself. “I’ve learnt a phenomenal amount about how I approach things and am beginning to delve into my own creative practice as a result.”

“I have a new-found confidence through Dada-Exchange. It’s given me the opportunity to think why aren’t I doing this? It’s also given me the space to have a think about what I want to do in the future – planning short-term, medium term and long-term aims.”

With a background in dance, movement and community engagement Michelle’s key influences are Lloyd Newson from DV8 and Pina Bausch who was a leading influence in the development of the Tanztheater style of dance: “I’ve always have been inspired by site-specific outdoor work and physical dance.”

Michelle Chorley during movement workshopThe professional development funding that comes with being a Dada-Exchange advisor has no strings attached to it: “I think this allows a terrific sense of freedom and value to invest in yourself as you see fit.”  So Michelle has used the professional development money to put something back into her own creative practice with a weekend programme of movement workshops led by dancer and choreographer Helen Poynor, called The Walk of Life.

Inspired by the environment a lot of the work is done outdoors, moving with the sea, the sky and the earth. These movement workshops are about aligning your body and being in tune with the elements: “Dada-Exchange has given me the confidence to try something new. I don’t move in the way I did 15 years ago when I was working more directly in dance, so this is an opportunity to put my toe back in the water – literally. ”

Like the other artist-advisors Michelle has been encouraged to work with artists from a variety of disciplines. “You don’t need knowledge of a particular art form to help artists achieve their dreams and vision. I had no idea that I would feel like this about it.”

“Currently I’ve been working with dancer and choreographer Chisato Minamimura. I saw her performing in Graeae’s The Garden in the Greenwich and Docklands Festival. It had a really good feel to it. There was a good audience, great weather. It was beautiful – everything that makes an outdoor experience just right.”

I asked Michelle how Dada-Exchange meets the needs of emerging artists or would-be artists: “Looking at the value for the artist being mentored, I’d love to say that we can measure the impact of the programme on the professional development of the artists. I think there is a lot of mileage to be gained in engaging those artists in evaluation and capturing the true value to their experience.”

“How could we attribute a particular success that an individual artist has had to the Dada-Exchange process? I headed up a dance and science project with Laban Contemporary Dance for a year. From the age of 16 years old, many young women fall off the keep-fit radar – so we scientifically monitored the value and relevance of a ten week creative dance course for a group of participants."
 
“We used a specific scale of questioning to measure the impact of the dance programme on the young women’s self-esteem. We measured the physical, mental and emotional well-being of the group on a tightly monitored regime. Basically we put them through an MOT. They did an evaluation before the programme and scored themselves as they went along. We put them through a lung capacity test; a sit and reach test and did a whole lot of intricate factual testing relating to creative practice. Finally we proved that this programme had increased the young women’s self-esteem. You can read the final Dance 4 Your Life report on the North Kent Local Authorities Arts Partnership website

Going back to the artist advisors - Michelle’s final comment was that it’s great to have a quote. But in terms of capturing the true value of the programme to the artists, she hopes that more stringent ways of recording their experience of Dada-Exchange might be developed.
 
Talking to David Dixon is a bit like standing on your head. He is an artist who explodes with ideas and connections in the way he thinks about and develops his work. I asked him about his artistic practice, where the relationship with science comes into it and how he perceives it in terms of disability.

There is a notion of disability arts that has evolved from the history of its practice that is perceived as being about fixed notions of what you can and can’t do and say. David says: “I’ve always felt a sense of fear that I will say the wrong thing with regards to disability arts. I’ve only got one leg, so putting my foot in my mouth can be a serious matter.”

Personally I think that the cut and dried impetus to wrap disability in a ball and put it on a plate is changing.  Disability arts in the past could be accused of being too one-focussed – but I think that now through the work of contemporary visual artists like David Dixon, Noemi Lakmaier, and Jon Adams – artists who refuse to define themselves or their work by disability alone – that singular definition is changing.

Like all art forms disability arts has to evolve – even perhaps lose itself entirely. The world is in a consistent state of flux and art needs to reflect that change if it is to persist with any kind of relevance. I asked David about his journey through the maze in relation to the D word: “For the most part I always considered myself to be an artist who happens to be disabled. I didn’t want to focus on myself in my creative practice. My approach has always been much more about an investigation into the world and the human context that arises from the world. We have to understand what the world is and how it behaves in order to understand who and what we are. These relations are very much intermingled.”

“However two years ago the idea of the disabled person’s engagement with the world came up in conversation. I realised that the disabled person has a sharpened awareness of things. For instance because I have a prosthetic leg I notice floors a lot more than the average person. I am aware of the slightest incline. Whether surfaces are slippy or smooth matters is important, because of my disability.”

“At that point I became aware, almost accidentally, that disability came into my work as a vehicle for understanding. I became interested in the idea of prosthesis as an extension of things. If you use a tool like a knife and fork, it’s separate from you. But when you’re wearing a prosthesis, it’s not flesh and blood, but is more like an extension of who you are. When you have this extension it not only draws attention to, but enhances the idea of where one thing stops, and another begins. It asserts it and negates it at the same time, in a paradoxical way. I realised that when I use books and dust in my installations there is a sense in which they reference the idea of prosthesis – in the way for instance that printed word has created new interpretations of written text.”

A theme in David’s work is about boundaries, perceived and imagined. It is very much influenced by the understanding of the world that has emerged from quantum physics. The more the written word tries to define our relationship to the world through creating a prosthetic extension of consciousness, so the more we face the collapse of the idea of definite objects. Physics has called perceived boundaries between subject and object into question. The world consistently refuses to be defined as one thing or another. And the interesting thing that scientists engaged with measuring the world have come to face, is that the act of taking measurement explains more about the tools that are used, rather than substantiating any solid fact.

David says: “There is an undercurrent in all my work that rails against the absolute value of things. It’s like there is a constant internal series of banner marches and protests about the error in viewing the world in a fixed way. Entrenched points of view always seem to lead to bigotry and marginalisation.”

“If we look at things as interdependent then that sense of identification with fixed values collapses. It can create a breeding ground for people to be good to each other out of respect for the fact that there is no one truth. Sometimes differences can’t be resolved. They just have to be accepted and reviewed from a position of tolerance.”

Lastly I asked David about his experience of being part of Dada-Exchange: “It was a tremendous experience. The fact that disability wasn’t a focus, gave us a passport to being able to go where we needed to go with our discussions. It meant we could bring a much more open critique to the table.
Barriers in peoples’ lives came up as a part of our discussions, but because we weren’t focusing on these difficulties it gave us much more licence to talk positively about professional aspirations and how to make things happen.”

Our conversation ended in a similar place to where it began, critiquing disability arts as a tool for campaigning about inclusion and equality. There is a careful balance to be maintained.

I think that taking an ‘us and them’ stance just reinforces distinctions and differences, rather than creating the conditions for what you want to achieve. David always has a good quote at the ready: “As Bruce Lee used to say ‘It is like a finger pointing toward the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.’”

 

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